tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post3197259838282292962..comments2023-10-12T16:08:14.017+01:00Comments on Lashings of Ginger Beer Time Blog: And all of us here have been here all the time: Historicism, non-normativity, and People Like MeAnnalyticahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06402598855200483948noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post-56756824976242251212012-07-09T16:36:54.609+01:002012-07-09T16:36:54.609+01:00@anotherusedpage: Oh, blarghWHUT. SERIOUSLY, peopl...@anotherusedpage: Oh, blarghWHUT. SERIOUSLY, people would actually have the front to out-loud complain about the perceived ethnicity of one of the actors in a re-enacted kids' history lesson? *applies head vigourously to desk*Galateahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00311943348880788160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post-77261489301908807482012-07-08T22:56:35.216+01:002012-07-08T22:56:35.216+01:00A bunch of friends and acquaintances of ours go up...A bunch of friends and acquaintances of ours go up to Southsea castle in the summer as part of 'Tempus Fugitive', time-travel-adventure themed history lessons for kids as acted by a bunch of live action roleplayers and reenactors. <br /><br />The guy in charge has had to field complaints about the black guy playing the mediaeval noble so frequently that he started to put his research on the subject into the packs for teachers. There were black people in the UK consistantly from at least Roman times onwards. Which means, since before the Anglo Saxons... <br /><br />Yes. Good post. SO BORED of the 'but it wasn't historically accurate' argument...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post-60437537587227978792012-07-06T20:11:21.114+01:002012-07-06T20:11:21.114+01:00@Anonymous - Palomides does convert at the very en...@Anonymous - Palomides does convert at the very end of the Book of Tristram -- I'm not sure whether Malory tells us whether or not his brothers convert too? <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arthurian-Literature-XXVIII-Malory-Darthur/dp/1843842815" rel="nofollow">This book</a> has a really interesting reading of Palomides' refusal to convert until he has accomplished the requisite number of 'great deeds' as an act of resistance/attempt to maintain his self-determination for as long as possible. <br /><br />I suppose what I'm really trying to point out with these examples is not necessarily that all of them are good or happy or positive portrayals of non-normative folks, but just that people who argue 'BUT THERE WERE NO XPEOPLE IN XTIME' are often talking manifest rubbish.Galateahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00311943348880788160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post-10984112433565070732012-07-06T20:00:19.921+01:002012-07-06T20:00:19.921+01:00I thought Sir Palomides, Sir Segwarides and Sir Sa...I thought Sir Palomides, Sir Segwarides and Sir Safir converted to Christianity? In which case it's not strictly correct to say that Malory has three Muslim knights of the Round Table -- they are Saracen but not Muslim.<br /><br />And I'm not sure the Woolves are the best examples of polyamory you could have chosen. IIRC Virginia's affairs with Vita Sackville-West et al upset Leonard very much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post-12751683668374227332012-07-06T19:12:42.435+01:002012-07-06T19:12:42.435+01:00@Galatea Unfortunately there appears to be very li...@Galatea Unfortunately there appears to be very little about this that is easy to find. My knowledge really just comes from a small section in an obscure Neo-Pagan book.<br /><br />However despite its sometimes problematic language this post here http://freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com/?page_id=211 appears to have some quite good info (haven't had to chance to read it all yet) especially in the section titled "Transcending Gender in the Edda" about half way down the page. If I come across anything else I'll let you know =)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06746602221358113644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post-6984272889749658902012-07-06T18:33:52.736+01:002012-07-06T18:33:52.736+01:00@Goblin *beams* :D
@Ginger Drage: Aha! I think I ...@Goblin *beams* :D<br /><br />@Ginger Drage: Aha! I think I remember hearing a little about this a few years ago from a SCA-doing friend -- fascinating stuff! If you have any links, etc., I'd love to learn more abouit it. <br /><br />*facepalm forever* at the 'First gay caveman' headline. Popular media misrepresentations of non-normative figures in history is something that I didn't even get around to touching on in this post... another rant for the future, I fear!Galateahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00311943348880788160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post-34957921541262088222012-07-06T16:58:54.632+01:002012-07-06T16:58:54.632+01:00There are examples of male-bodied practitioners of...There are examples of male-bodied practitioners of Freya's magic, who lived as priestesses of Freya in Anglo-Saxon times. They were considered a lower class of people then (as can be told from comparing the weregild (fines) for killing one etc), but we defiantly be considered trans* today. Infact Odin was taught and used Freya's "women's magic", which is an interesting gender-role variation from the leader of the gods.<br /><br />There was also a recently discovered late stone age/early bronze age burial of a male skeleton buried with all of their cultural signs and grave goods of a women. The way this was reported in the press? "First gay caveman found".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06746602221358113644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828823099864315938.post-44282349729302980842012-07-06T16:19:28.624+01:002012-07-06T16:19:28.624+01:00You. Are. My. Personal. Hero. Just sayin'.You. Are. My. Personal. Hero. Just sayin'.Goblinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12439664075738595025noreply@blogger.com