Friday 14 October 2011

Feminism is not a club you join

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Recently, feminists on Twitter have been carrying out a #DiversityAudit on the representation of women in British TV and radio, with a particular focus on comedy panel shows.

It has, perhaps not unexpectedly, revealed that TV and radio panel shows have a rather strong bias towards the representation of one particular gender - and it's not women! Thefword have published an overview of the findings - with the most representative of shows just nudging 1 in 3 female guests, and Mock The Week just about managing 1 in 7. And lest you think these figures aren't too saddening, take note - they refer only to guests on the shows. When you take into account regulars, like hosts and team captains, no show manages more than 17% women. That's 1 in 6.

In response, whoever is tweeting as @MockTheWeek has given a pretty much textbook response - denying that representation is in their remit; insisting that they pick performers based on audience response; claiming that there are no women in stand-up. And certainly, men outnumber women on the stand-up circuit (although I'm not sure we can draw conclusions from that about whether more of them are any good at it - Bethany Black has a particularly relevant perspective on this) - but that doesn't explain why Mock The Week have so many fewer than any other show. Jo Brand gives a good explanation, which probably also covers reasons that I haven't found many feminists who actually watch the show, given its heavy dependence on the 'humour' of hate.

But anyway, this isn't about the #DiversityAudit, which has been well covered elsewhere. This isn't even about the Twitter-fight between angry feminists and @MockTheWeek - that's been covered pretty well also. No.

I want to talk about the man who waded into this twitter-fight to say, "I'm a feminist, and I think these women are going too far". Like his being a feminist gave him a position of power from which to silence us. For the first time, I understood the position of second-wavers who refuse to allow the concept of "male feminist". Personally, I still think that it can be a useful identification, but I see more than ever how it's open to abuse. Sadly, the Twitterer in question has deleted the tweet which sparked all this off, but here's some of his charming discourse with me and with @MockTheWeek.

In case there are people reading this who didn't know, feminism is not a club you join. You can't read a book that tells you "how to be feminist". There isn't an entrance test. And you certainly can't work it out from first principles, because guess what, your principles are mired in patriarchy. (And if that last sentence doesn't make sense to you, well. Have you seen the Matrix?)

And however you think you got to be in the feminist club, if you are using the self-identification to silence women, then you are not a feminist. Sure, there might be side cases here - you might be concerned at Female Friend A's use of a term that you know offends Female Friend B, and ask FFA to think twice about using it; but then that's a result of listening to women. I'm not interested in these side cases, because if you're really a feminist, you'll be too busy carefully navigating these subtle grey areas to waste time using them to "one-up" me.

Feminism is not a club you join. Saying you're a feminist doesn't make you a feminist. There is no one, right way to be a feminist - we are all trying to be better, and messing up, and trying again - but if you're privileging your own "objective logic" over the lived experience of women, then you aren't doing it very well. Feminism is an ongoing discourse about how to make the world better and more fair. You can't get involved without listening to women, and finding out what they want and need.

(Now, in my opinion, the best feminism is the widest discourse - it takes in the experiences of women across all races, all social classes, all romantic & sexual orientations, all gender experiences & expressions, all levels of ability & education; and works to make life better for all of them. But this breadth of discourse is not considered an essential part of feminism by everyone, and has its own name - intersectionality. I'm with Tiger Beatdown on this, though: my feminism will be intersectional, or it will be bullshit.)

Yes, a corollary of the fact that feminism is an ongoing discourse (intersectional or not) is that there are lots of feminisms. No, I'm not going to go into them here, Wikipedia exists. But as a discursive approach, "I'm a feminist, so you're wrong" doesn't really cut it. I am open to the possibility that  we might disagree because you're a liberal feminist and I'm a radical feminist. Maybe there's even an interesting discussion to be had that could increase both of our understandings of complex issues. But maybe - and I think that "feminist" men need to pay particular attention to this possibility - maybe we disagree because you're talking out of your arse.

5 comments:

  1. 'I want to talk about the man who waded into this twitter-fight to say, "I'm a feminist, and I think these women are going too far". Like his being a feminist gave him a position of power from which to silence us.'

    This is exactly why I'm so reluctant to call myself a 'feminist'. I try to use 'feminist ally', but that seems a bit non-commital to me.

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  2. I try to use 'feminist ally', but that seems a bit non-commital to me.

    I can see why you say that, but I'd actually be more likely to take an identification of "feminist ally" at face value than I would "feminist" - because to even have the concept of an "ally" you must have engaged with feminism to a greater degree than some of the men who call themselves feminists in the manner described in this post!

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  3. "to even have the concept of an "ally" you must have engaged with feminism"

    Agreed. "Ally" suggests an awareness that while you may support a movement, it is not *your* movement. It's not there to meet your needs and shouldn't have to change itself to make space for you.

    In general though my view is that what you call yourself isn't so important as how you behave. If someone behaves in a feminist way, ie showing respect to women and acknowledging that our lived experiences are valid and important, I don't care whether they want to use the label or not. If someone is trying to silence women and deny that the things women care about are important, no amount of proclaiming that they are a feminist is going to make that right. Feminism is something you *do*.

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  4. Hi, in regards to your comment that "that doesn't explain why Mock The Week have so many fewer than any other show." That's not the case, I did a research of other shows on the BBC and found that Mock the Week actually had more female guests as a percentage than most of their other Comedy programmes with Live at the Apollo being particularly bad for this, with only 3 women on the series they are about to film. They average around 10% in line with the industry.

    Other than that this is a brilliant blog :)

    BB x

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  5. Sorry, my use of "any other show" was clearly ambiguous - I meant "any other show considered in the diversity audit I'm discussing", ie, the 9 TV/radio panel shows in the fword article I link to.

    Hopefully readers won't feel I've misled them, as your Live at the Apollo figures are linked to from the text, and now here in the comments.

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